New Podcast Episode: Steven Rogelberg
What a meeting scientist taught me about why, and two practices to try tomorrow.
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New episode · Season 4 · Episode 4

How to turn any meeting into the best hour of someone’s day

And two questions to ask before your next one
with Steven Rogelberg · the world’s leading meeting scientist
 

Dear friend,

When I was at Google, Larry Page had enough of back to back meetings. So he changed the default. From one day to the next, every new meeting in Google Calendar was 50 minutes instead of 60. Ten minutes to breathe, built in for everyone.

And what happened? Nothing. We kept booking 60 minutes and we kept talking for 60 minutes. The calendar had changed. We had not.

A meeting is a human question far more than a technical one. Steven Rogelberg has spent 25 years studying that question, and he is my guest on The Future Is HOW today.

Steven Rogelberg and me in conversation on The Future Is HOW.
Episode 4 · Steven Rogelberg & me
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◆ Two practices from Steven’s research

I met Steven in Copenhagen, where we were both invited to speak at the President’s Summit. I could not stop asking him about his research.

One evening I was lucky enough to sit with him at a table at Noma, a restaurant many call the best in the world. You walk in thinking the evening will be about the food. You walk out knowing it was about the people. There was no agenda and nobody watched the clock. It was one of the best “meetings” I have had in a long time.

Steven Rogelberg and me in Copenhagen, with my book.
Steven Rogelberg and me in Copenhagen

At Google we once experimented with a small barometer that showed who was talking in a meeting, and for how long. Everyone in the room could see who had not spoken yet, and who had done most of the talking. Steven’s research explains why we needed it. Talking lights up the same parts of the brain as good food, so we talk a lot. The gift is to give that feeling to someone else.

Here are two practices from his research. Both start before the meeting does.

Practice 1
Give people their time back

Before you send your next invite, ask Steven’s most important question: Do I really need this meeting? His test is simple. Does it need people to interact? If the information only flows one way, write it down and send it. Everyone you did not invite just received an hour as a gift.

“The goal is not to eliminate meetings.” Steven Rogelberg
Steven Rogelberg
Practice 2
Questions in place of topics

Write your agenda as questions to answer. The questions tell you who needs to be in the room. They draw people in, because people love answering questions. And when the questions are answered, you are done.

As Steven says: “If you just can’t think of any questions, it likely means you don’t need a meeting.” If you cannot think of a single question, you have your answer to practice one.

“Agendas are a hollow crutch.” Steven Rogelberg
Steven Rogelberg

The full conversation goes further: why almost nobody wants a day without meetings, what virtual meetings do better than a room, and whether your digital twin should ever go in your place.

Talk less. Listen more. Steven Rogelberg on The Future Is HOW.
The Future Is HOW · Season 4 · Episode 4
 
◆ Your experiment

Pick one of these practices for your next meeting. Ask the question before you send the invite, or turn your agenda into questions. Then notice who shows up, and how.

When you try it, hit reply and tell me what you noticed. I read every reply.

Dr. Frederik G. Pferdt
From within,
Frederik

P.S. Know someone whose calendar is full of meetings? Forward this to them, maybe right before your next one together.

P.P.S. Steven’s new book, The Even More Surprising Science of Meetings, carries a foreword by our shared friend Kim Scott. To me it is an invitation to treat every hour people give you as a gift.

◆ Mindstate Moment

Before we started recording, Steven noticed something I do without thinking: one deep breath to arrive. His research shows why it matters. The mindstate you bring into the room is the biggest predictor of the mindstate of the meeting.

Today, I choose to take one breath before I walk through the door.

Would you like one small ritual like this every day? That is what Mindstate Moments are for. Tomorrow starts with what you practice today. Free.

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